RE: [-empyre-] subscription

["Charlotte Frost" <charlotte@digitalcritic.org>]

Surely not-for-profit and profit galleries are still part of the same system
of taking art to be non-functional to-be-looked-ats, taking perhaps objects
out of context and recontextualising them in the gallery system? Surely in
galleries there is censorship, moderation, subscription and dominance by a
few posters/curators/artists?

I take it that the list is a very different space, but I don't think
parallels can't be drawn....

Charlotte

-----Original Message-----
From: empyre-bounces@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
[mailto:empyre-bounces@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au] On Behalf Of Alan Sondheim
Sent: 12 August 2004 15:19
To: soft_skinned_space
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] subscription



Hi - couldn't disagree with you more. The fact I go to galleries doesn't
mean I 'subscribe' to them - simply that they're available and free. I don't
endorse or not endorse; in fact, there are times I've fought & published
against the system. If anything, I'm associated with non-profits or flexible
venues (I've curated in both). It's simply I can walk in when I want if I
want. On a list, including this list, there is censorship, moderation,
subscription, and dominance by a few posters. This is very different
_vis-a-vis audience_ or spectator, from a gallery.

- Alan

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Charlotte Frost wrote:

> I am going to try and reply to a few points before I am out of time....
>
> Point 1)
>
> Alan I was really interested when you said:
>
> "Well, one doesn't have to subscribe to an art gallery. One just walks in.
> One doesn't have to get along with the other people in the gallery. I've
now
> got a kill file, so I don't get too upset at some people's postings. I
don't
> have to do that at Sonnabend. In some ways corporate space is a lot freer
> and more democratic, most often kinder, than most lists I've been on. I'm
> lucky with cybermind, etc. etc. - they're open to just about anything."
>
> Because I think that actually it's the opposite, we *DO* subscribe to art
> galleries, and it is our very commitment to them that makes them
acceptable
> places to be. I'm not talking about the specifics of whether white cubes
are
> 'friendly' so much as the fact our belief in them is what makes them
sprout
> up all over the place. You might not have checked a subscription form, and
> you might not receive daily mail outs from them, but a belief in them is
> everywhere you go, from Sonnabend to Tate...
>
> I think lists  sometimes bring the art gallery into your home! They
provide
> you with the information and links to find the work, they give you
critiques
> on works and announcements on how you can get even more involved.... Its
> just in real world galleries we have a different etiquette, probably
largely
> because we have faces in galleries and so we aren't so bold.
>
> But not subscribe to galleries? - if you go to Sonnabend, you surely do!
>
> Charlotte
>
>
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